Comments on: STANLEY CUP WISHES AND SHEA WEBER DREAMS https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams NEW YORK RANGERS, HARTFORD WOLF PACK, CINCINNATI CYCLONES, COLLEGE, JUNIOR HOCKEY NEWS & MORE Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:30:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.4 By: Mitch Beck https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-855 Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:30:28 +0000 https://howlings2.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-855 In reply to phil.

Phil,

You make a good point; but here’s my thinking. Like in baseball you can never have enough pitching, in hockey you can never have enough strong defensemen. This would afford Nashville the ability to make other trades as well. I would agree that talk would start with Dubinsky or Staal, but neither of them are going to be dealt.

Others have pointed out other names up front that might make a difference to the Preds. One thing the Rangers are going to have to do is move some money with it, so that means that Girardi for certain has to go and Wolski is a must. A strong prospect package could be dealt but you can’t wipe out the cupboard as I’ve said before.

So who would you think that the Rangers would trade that Nashville would take?

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By: phil https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-854 Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:19:59 +0000 https://howlings2.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-854 Mitch – Why would the Preds trade for three NHL-ready defensemen, especially when they’ve got a more than healthy core(Blum, Klein, Suter Franson and Ellis) already? I think the conversation with the Preds would start and end with either Staal or Dubinsky to begin with. Then maybe Wolski, Thomas and a first rounder.

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By: Mitch Beck https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-853 Thu, 04 Aug 2011 03:27:19 +0000 https://howlings2.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-853 In reply to Andrew.

Yes Andrew, Redden’s cap hit is extinguished at the start of the season when he gets sent down to Hartford. He still has three seasons left including this one. It will be interesting to see what happens when the CBA is redone. My guess is there will be another get out of jail free card that the Rangers will get to play to buy out the rest of Red’s contract. Will be a shame too because he’s a terrific guy and a great influence on the young kids…

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By: Andrew https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-852 Thu, 04 Aug 2011 03:10:11 +0000 https://howlings2.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-852 Does Redden’s $6.5M come off the cap during the season? it looks like it’ll be a one year deal for Weber so we could trade for him during the season, right? If not, correct on saying Girardi and Wolski would be a must, perhaps Bourque and/or Zucc and one of McDonaugh, Sauer or Valenteko and a first rounder…

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By: Mitch Beck https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-851 Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:40:53 +0000 https://howlings2.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-851 In reply to matt grauer.

They can ask for it, doesn’t mean they’d get it. I still think that what I’m offering makes an awful lot of sense. You want to throw Zuc in there and take either Sauer or McDonagh off the table then I’d do that. Remember, you can’t go too crazy. I think you’re offering WAY too much. You don’t want to empty the cupboard for one player. You want to give them some quality in areas that they could use it and where the team has depth. They have excellent depth in D-men so they can afford to give more from that. They’re not so deep up front so the thinking would usually be to try and hold as much of that back as possible. You also don’t want to give up too many draft picks because then the well can run dry. But as I said, I’d be willing to overpay a little because I think Weber would get the Rangers to the Stanley Cup.

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By: matt grauer https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-850 Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:33:29 +0000 https://howlings2.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-850 Girardi 3.325
MDZ 1.1
Wolski 3.8 (Or Avery 1.9 + Zucc 1.75) is 3.85 = 8.275. That means either Zuc or MDZ might not exactly equal Weber’s contract (which will be around $7.5M) but maybe both don’t make their roster out of training camp. However, both are prospects with relatively high value. and this deal could very well work with draft picks (1st rounder and even 2nd rounder + another D-prospect in Erixon or Dylan McIllrath) could easily tip the trade balance. Like I said earlier, Nashville is weak at LW so Wolski or Avery or Zuc is a given + Girardi and several prospects / draft picks.
More often than not, blockbuster trades get done by sending 1 star for another, so you’d have to assume theyd ask for Staal or Dubi.

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By: matt grauer https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-849 Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:09:03 +0000 https://howlings2.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-849 Girardi, Whatever combo of Wolski, Avery, Zucc that Nashville wants bc they’re weak at LW… + MDZ, JT Miller & 2012 First Round Draft Pick.
Throw in 2013 2nd Rounder as well. I wouldn’t offer Sauer and/or McDonagh b/c I see them being NYR 2nd pair dmen for the next decade but I would also throw either of them in to make the deal. Scott Hannan is still a free agent and could easily step in for next year or 2 until McIllrath is ready to make the jump so both Sauer-McDonagh are expendable.
Staal-Weber would be one of the top pairing Dmen in the league.
Make it Happen

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By: Mitch Beck https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-848 Wed, 03 Aug 2011 21:26:57 +0000 https://howlings2.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-848 Remember that you have to give them enough that they’re going to want to take it and it’s going to have to be a better offer than they could get from anyone else AND you have to be able to make the cap numbers work.

The Rangers would need to clear space to make that happen so Girardi and Wolski would be a must. That would cover the bulk of it. Then you have to give them something that they are going to want. Throwing them three NHL ready D, that are young and inexpensive would get them off the snide.

A deal, if it’s going to be done needs to improve both teams or it won’t get done. While what I’m offering MIGHT be too much, you might have to pay too much to get a D-man who’s scored 16-16 & 23 goals over the past three years.

IMHO, if the Rangers could pull off that deal as I listed, with a little luck and a couple of breaks, I think they’re shining Stanley silver next summer. They’d easily be the best team in the East.

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By: cwede https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-847 Wed, 03 Aug 2011 21:03:05 +0000 https://howlings2.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-847 IF Nash trades, they wont get a better offer than Adam’s.
NYR could even add a D prospect as well, such as Niemi or even DZ.
I’d hate to lose Kreider, he may be a bigger, faster Dubi.
Besides, that’s a lot of talent. and then there’s the $$$$ –
if the rumors of $7.5M are true, that’s more than Henry, BR or Gabi,
and only for 1 year.

Me, I’d rather find a way to pry Matt Greene from LA as a big vet Righty D, (the eventual Doughty contract may squeeze them) and build from within.

We have 2 imported all-stars. Now let’s just get on with Torts’ ‘process’

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By: Adam https://howlings.net/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-846 Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:48:26 +0000 https://howlings2.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/stanley-cup-wishes-shea-weber-dreams/#comment-846 My max offer would be something like Girardi, Kreider, Bourque and NYR 1st rounder in 2012…but even that I think Nashville walks away from. If Wolski is needed to tip the scales like Andrew said I’d be willing to do that. Nashville is always in search of Top 6 talent and if Wolski doesn’t work out his buyout is very cheap.

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